A bail out for Wallace from the goverment?
Haney
Posted 12/10/2008 4:42 PM (#10332)
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OK when are the developers going to give Wallace a bail out package to help him start buying back items. I would love to level up my bow manuf. skills but its hard when all I can do is try and sell the non HG/PG and no get buyers for days or tin tin them for like 41 % return mats. It dont have to be a large amount of marbles from Wallace just enough to cover my expensives. I am not a top artisian so I do not get any manuf requests for bows. Heck I can not even give away my bows ( I have tried). Why do we all have to be punished for the abuse from past offenders??
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Posted 12/10/2008 5:38 PM (#10344 - in reply to #10332)
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i am also a bow manufacturer and find the wallace situation difficult as the market is too slow for the lvl of equipment i make
then to my relief i find new npc that lets me resolve my bows or other equip for pure elements eg lithium argon selenium wat was pure class
at first i was actually making profit from resolving sumthin like 600% profit and now the artifact honeymoon is over and the prices have slumped
i am left with 100s of argon and selenium that are worth less now than the money i spent on mats to make em.
now i must wait for a few days b4 goonzu day when the market speeds up and my stuff is bought for the higher price i list.

btw the way im an opertunist like every1 else
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Stilgar
Posted 12/10/2008 7:21 PM (#10363 - in reply to #10332)
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srry dont agree Haney, wallace got us into this mess of crazy inflation. I hope he never comes back and they keep putting money sinks in to drain the economy. Even I can tell that the rapid inflation has slowed down to an almost halt and hopefully will begin to retract. Wich in the end will have the desired affect of you having an eseir time in leveling.

Be positive though most MMO have no NPC like tin tin its either sell it or dont. IMO at least 41% is better than 0%. On a personal note I feel they should run more manue exp events I dont think they run nearley enough. other than that im sure people would have some other good ideas about helping the crafters of luminary and I hope they post some, but I hope wallace is not one of them.
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Tupak
Posted 12/11/2008 11:56 AM (#10396 - in reply to #10332)
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Yeah, give us Wallace back, I need him!!! Nobody wanna buy my low low HG items
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Haney
Posted 12/11/2008 2:06 PM (#10399 - in reply to #10332)
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OK GMs just tell us is Wallace a never to come back item or what? I want to level my bow making but I am not going to waste time and effort making no sellable stuff I will jsut go back to meds and food and tools and give up a profitless job like weapons making.
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forumfireflare
Posted 12/12/2008 5:59 AM (#10437 - in reply to #10332)
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I agree with Stilgar.. artisans shouldnt have an instant cashflow cuz it results in the buying up of mats and thus 300k charcoal turns into 600k charcoal and snook becomes very sad .

I wont say I dont miss Wallace tho.. I made a really good dragon rifle that should have sold 120mil but dropped to 73mil which was barely above market price... so no wallace is ftl but in the end with the price of mats stable or dropping maybe it will become FTW?
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Posted 12/12/2008 7:24 AM (#10444 - in reply to #10437)
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forumfireflare - 12/12/2008 5:59 AM

I agree with Stilgar.. artisans shouldnt have an instant cashflow cuz it results in the buying up of mats and thus 300k charcoal turns into 600k charcoal and snook becomes very sad .

I wont say I dont miss Wallace tho.. I made a really good dragon rifle that should have sold 120mil but dropped to 73mil which was barely above market price... so no wallace is ftl but in the end with the price of mats stable or dropping maybe it will become FTW?


i never thought of it like that
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Joslynn
Posted 12/12/2008 9:19 AM (#10454 - in reply to #10332)
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I think doing away with Wallace helped our in-game economy. I would; however, like to see a method of selling unsealed weapons and armor besides pk. I think we should be able to sell them through a p-shop. After all...aren't most flea markets all about buying used items? So...why not allow us to set up a shop for selling used armors and weapons? Any opinions?
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thundra
Posted 12/12/2008 10:40 AM (#10456 - in reply to #10454)
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i wold love that idea and also i know how everyone feels about wallace not being there to resive your items but i am Glad he dosen't work actualy cuz the economy has ben lowering ever since he stoped working so why not use joslynn idea of selling used items and if they are sealed tintin them or sell them in the market market gives more money than wallace anyways.

think how things will rise up wen wallace works again and the people that are looking for that to happen i wold rather advice the developers to just take him out of the game or make him a new system witch will not effect the market^^ and that way everyone is happy^^
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Targetton
Posted 12/12/2008 10:58 AM (#10459 - in reply to #10454)
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Joslynn - 12/12/2008 9:19 AM

I think doing away with Wallace helped our in-game economy. I would; however, like to see a method of selling unsealed weapons and armor besides pk. I think we should be able to sell them through a p-shop. After all...aren't most flea markets all about buying used items? So...why not allow us to set up a shop for selling used armors and weapons? Any opinions?


That is a great idea. It would be wonderful for a ticket to do that and it would work like premium shop ticket, sold by clara.

I must admit that wallace not working has made the economy better.
But i also must admit that wallace made great profit for the artisans and was very useful.
So maybe there should be a way that makes wallace balance the economy. Buyers would buy things on a fair price and artisan would make the right profits for there hard work.
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Stilgar
Posted 12/12/2008 11:00 AM (#10460 - in reply to #10332)
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Well eventually as for the unsealed problem. I think they are planning to introduce a repackaging ticket that will allow you to sell unsealed stuff. If its really will happen not sure, we will just have to wait and see.
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moomba a.k.a DB?
Posted 12/13/2008 9:12 PM (#10528 - in reply to #10332)
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lol....

bring wallace back...
with 2x price on HG item (which means 100% of market price)

this wont cause inflation...

4x hg price is the cause of inflation!

bring wallace back! bring wallace back! bring it back!
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forumfireflare
Posted 12/15/2008 5:12 AM (#10599 - in reply to #10456)
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thundra - 12/12/2008 10:40 AM
or sell them in the market market gives more money than wallace anyways.


falso... I sold a HG dragon rifle for 70mil that wallace would have given me 130mil for...
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FeaR
Posted 12/15/2008 6:04 AM (#10606 - in reply to #10599)
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LOL bailout package.


I hope this wont take as long as the time the White House will decide to bailout the auto industry.
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Targetton
Posted 12/15/2008 6:42 AM (#10612 - in reply to #10332)
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The repackaging ticket sounds interesting. I wonder if they will put it.
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forumfireflare
Posted 12/15/2008 8:01 AM (#10634 - in reply to #10606)
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first of all, bailing out the auto industry is silly... much like bailing out wallace is...

why give a defunct company more money to continue being defunct.. this whole industry needs restructured and its not gonna happen if they get bailed out... it will just delay their collapse and we'll be worse off.

the reverse will happen if wallace gets "reactivated"... he was start spewing out more marbles and inflate prices worse than they already are.
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Tresor
Posted 12/15/2008 8:03 PM (#10680 - in reply to #10528)
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moomba a.k.a DB? - 12/13/2008 2:12 PM

lol....

bring wallace back...
with 2x price on HG item (which means 100% of market price)

this wont cause inflation...

4x hg price is the cause of inflation!

bring wallace back! bring wallace back! bring it back!



Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Puddles
Posted 12/15/2008 8:42 PM (#10682 - in reply to #10332)
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I disagree. The economy is stable now, even 2x will cause inflation even if a little slower.

I think an alternate solution is needed. Maybe set tintin to 300% for all high grade, since mats don't affect the economy like marbles do.

This would allow the pd's to work their skill without upsetting the economy, and could be a permanent solution without worrying about it being taken away.

I had another out of the box idea, but basically I think the problem can be fixed without wallace.

RiceMagic~

Edited by Puddles 12/15/2008 8:43 PM
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Superman88
Posted 12/16/2008 3:53 AM (#10687 - in reply to #10682)
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actually bringing wallace back is just bringing in more marbles, but at a smaller scale. I think Rice's idea is pretty good. Introducing more mats to the server is less likely to have a sudden massive impact on the server. a 300% on HG items isn't a bad idea as would steadily introduce mats to server.


Summary - I agree with rice, and wallace should not be brought back even if it gives market value for HG items. Half value is perfectly fine. It basically promotes ppl to tin tin and pd instead of walacing for cash which is likely to introduce into the server more marbles than are being used up and therefore still cause inflation.

Hope that made sense... i havnt proof read it lol

cheers guys

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Superman88
Posted 12/16/2008 3:54 AM (#10688 - in reply to #10687)
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I've just realised that in essence i repeated myself in the post lol.

sorry bout that.

P.S. - Joslynn's idea of having a p shop to sell used items isn't a bad idea i quite like it. I hate how theres always a chance to loose the item through pk it sucks big time

GodlyShot

Edited by Superman88 12/16/2008 3:57 AM
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forumfireflare
Posted 12/16/2008 4:35 AM (#10692 - in reply to #10332)
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Their some good ideas in this post although I'm not sure how reselling unsealed items in pshop is related...

Rices tintin idea makes more sense to me than anything I've heard in awhile but then what do we do with wallace?

well heres an idea thats slightly off d wall but give me a second.. maybe instead of wallace taking items and giving us cash we should turn him upside down. Give him cash for a chance to win mats back...
*lets that sink in*

Ok so I figure how it works is...
1. You select which class of finished item you want (class= sword, gun, armor, bow, helmet, etc)
2. You select how much money you want to "wager"... the higher your wager the more and better items you get..
for example, if you wager 1mil toward gun you might get 30 oak or 100 ores.. if you wager 100mil, you might get 500 charcoals or 100 lubricants or 50 titanium...
3. Wallace gives you a certain amount of mats at random. Also when you use wallace, theres a certain chance of acquiring something useful in addition to the mats. Or maybe something like tintin you could get 200% or even 300% mats at a small % chance.

its basically gambling only the return is mats... anyway its not a perfect idea, but havent seen any other ideas on what to do with Wallace other than to get him "fixed".

~Snook
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Superman88
Posted 12/17/2008 5:24 AM (#10775 - in reply to #10332)
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lol forum my thing ab out re selling unsealed items in a p shop was just something i thought was a good idea, it was totally unrelated to everything else sorry if that confused you.

Now... your idea...

I love it haha its so off the wall and wierd but it's an awesome idea, not only will it introduce mats into the system, it may very well solve our problem of not being able to regulate marbles, cause an upside down wallace could possibly chew through marbles like no bodies business.

Thats the downside, i'm slightly worries it may chew up more marbles than is healthy and the economy might start going the other way... who knows lol. All in all i love the idea.

GodlyShot
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smakz
Posted 12/17/2008 5:01 PM (#10802 - in reply to #10332)
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i like rice's idea about the hg = 300 %.. even like 250% would be nice.. also one positive that could come from that is that we'd be introducing mats into the game so it could in turn lower prices of mats in market and help economy as well.. hopefully they do something soon!
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SharShar
Posted 12/17/2008 5:20 PM (#10808 - in reply to #10332)
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My question about the repackaging ticket...
eventually, over time it might get to where the server is choked out with used handmedowns, and first wouldnt the low lvl manu items just slowly stock up until its not needed to make, you just buy a used one from martha's used stuff shop. Slowly and eventually low lvl manu may suffer, few things molding on market when got far cheaper or given.
I personally like the 'once it's unsealed its yours' way it is now.
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Binbin
Posted 12/17/2008 5:22 PM (#10809 - in reply to #10332)
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Its all about how do we make our HGs more sought after. Enable HG enchantment in normal slot = +10% success rate - tada all your HGs will sell in market now ^__^
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Stilgar
Posted 12/17/2008 6:08 PM (#10815 - in reply to #10332)
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The repackaging ticket has to bought from IM at a high price. people will not be repackaging a bunch of low level weps it would be far to costly in RL just high level stuff for trade purposes mostly and if they want to enchant, but in not sure if it re-seals it or just basicallly makes it tradable untill opened again.

somebody from IJJI should be able to help here because they already have it and so do the Koreans. As for wallace sieng as I should post about the topic at least once while Im talking about another subject. Still stand firm hope wallace is dead forever dont mind another solution to the problem but making him work again baaaaaaaaaad idea.

IF you dont reliese by now that wallace caused the inflation then your deluded and if you think bringing him back won't just cause everythingg to be extremely out of balance think agagin. IE making your product less profitable and your matts much more expensivethen will cause all finished product to drop in price or become so expensive they will be even harder to sell for profit. It will only cause you to have to buy matts constitantly for super high prices and buy equips at a much lower price because instead of finished product being worth lots the general product IE matts will have to raise in price becasue of the general worth of your marbles. IE the less the marbles is worth the more of them you need to buy the same product.

Wich means people will want to make more of their own stuff either to avoid the increases in market values of item, or to componsate for high matt prices. Or prices being so high as we once sall them that the market slows to a crawl and gets choked with over priced good that nobody can afford.

Also with wallace back to 100% the inflation is not only bad its at far to high a rate. everyday your matts would be worth more and more
wich only served to make people horde matts. Wich in turned just continued to drive matts higher and higher, and finished products lower % wise in profitability.

During WWII the germans had truck loads of money but you could barely buy loaf of bread with a barrel full.........Is that rich? think about it. Inflation in the end equals disaster =P.
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TheMason
Posted 12/17/2008 6:17 PM (#10816 - in reply to #10332)
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i dont really miss wallace, but yes he created cash flow into the game, helpin pds, at least those that had more then enough mats. but constant marble sinks in the game isnt helpin, prices arnt goin down, they just arnt goin up rapidly, too many ancient stale accounts with shares soakin up marbles, creatin a false marble count in the game, makin people think theres more marbles available then there is. all they check is the chair, see how many total marbles in circulation, not considerin 70% of all the original shareholders, and alot of mid way and newer ones, have retired, quit, or forgotten the game. building up accounts. collectin marbles. those need to be dealt with. banned accounts too, some still have shares, and are still listed in town halls. they also need to be removed. and dont combat that with unsettlein the votes or economy, as there only a burden on our economy. and banned or staled for 2 years plus. thier votes dont happen anyway. towns managed without those votes for years. will continue to manage without them.

then maybe wallace could be brought back, with new % abilities, lower perhaps, if pds choose cash over tintin theyd have to sacrifice with it bein at below market value. perhaps that could be a consideration. with such as(only an example) 20%-45% as its amounts for the returns.
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Superman88
Posted 12/21/2008 2:20 AM (#10999 - in reply to #10332)
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Summary so far of most people's views -
It seems as though a lot of us on the forum have very similar ideas. Firstly it seems that we are all in agreement that Wallace should NEVER be brought back to its original form (which as everyone agrees caused the ridiculous inflation in mats, and the CRAZY inflow of marbles into the game).

A large number of solutions have been posted instead of Wallace, e.g. by bringing him back as his original, original state (i.e. was it 50% of the market value?), or 'forumfireflares' idea of a of a gambling mechanism to obtain more mats and increase mat flow into server to push marbles down, or RiceMagics idea of tintin returning more than just 20 - 90% and double on rare occasions (perhaps 300% for HG's).

I commend 'TheMason', his plan for Ndoors to try and solve the issue of old accounts clogging up our system MUST be resolved. As he rightly pointed out it is placing a false image as the wealth of our 'Zues' server. In fact I don't think we can make any suggestions as to how to correct our economy and put it back on track until we have a clear picture as to where our current economy stands. Looking at the chair, is absolutely pointless due to the reasons that 'TheMason' has supplied above.

Regarding other ideas -

The re- packaging of sealed items ticket is very debatable and seems to have people on both sides either supporting or disagreeing with it. Understandably if it was introduced there is a risk of it being used to repackage absolutely everything (Solution - seriously high prices for the ticket). Also there is the worry that by being able to repackage high end PG and MG weapons, our market over time will build up a wealth of MG/PG guns, perhaps making them not so special any more. By allowing weapons to destroy from time to time allows the controlling of the number of mg/pg weapons in the game. But then again a lot of us are frustrated at having paid billions, for an item and then having it break and only getting a certain % refund. This is still a hotly debated idea so we shall see what Ndoors do about introducing it into our sever. Also 'Stilgar' has pointed out these repackaging tickets already exist on ijji server and so there is probably a high likely hood that something of the sort will appear on our server.
What do you think guys? Fairly good summary as to the stand of all our opinions on the matters in this topic so far?

Regards~
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Posted 4/17/2018 2:38 PM (#229507 - in reply to #10332)
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