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Winterblade
Posted 10/7/2008 2:31 AM (#5050)
Subject: Ares/Anthena Spirits


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Such a disappointment that the new halloween spirits couldn't be bought directly from item mall, unlike what was mentioned earlier.

Lets bring it back to item mall spirits.
Why are the stats of Ares and Anthena weaker than spirits from keys?
I mean, we need to buy stones to recharge it, unlike key spirits that have large amount of spirit hours that comes along.
In the end, we do spend a lot on item mall spirits as well, don't we? So why are the stats different?
In addition, there is no def for Ares/Anthena Spirit, why?

It seems really unfair, maybe the developers can do something to improve on the stats for Ares/Anthena Spirits.
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forumfireflare
Posted 10/7/2008 5:09 AM (#5055 - in reply to #5050)
Subject: RE: Ares/Anthena Spirits



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they did this on purpose to increase the value of their keys...

ares and athena were once offered as a key prize and their stats
were better... that is because it is easy to get... but ndoors wants
us to spend a ton of money gambling for something better...
its a money game that they win each month :p..

and I HIGHLY doubt they'd change that...

the next question is...how much harder it is to get a range spirit
with pumpkin compared to keys... if some one can do the maths...
and if its truly random... I think the chance is way lower...
which sucks...

Edited by forumfireflare 10/7/2008 5:11 AM
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Dj_GuRuGe
Posted 10/7/2008 7:42 AM (#5069 - in reply to #5050)
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-.- what question ur making ares and athena have less stat couse they are non RARE !!!
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forumfireflare
Posted 10/7/2008 8:03 AM (#5074 - in reply to #5050)
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yep.. easy to get = non-rare... and i think ndoors is ok to do this...
altho I was also semi-excited that they'd be in the Item Mall..
I wasnt expecting the pumpkin box...
they basically took everything I ever wanted and thru it in there...
(short of a perma-mount)...
I'm just hoping that this wont replace raccoon boxes... cuz
I still need some money left over for when I get motorcycle perma-
mount next month :\..
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Winterblade
Posted 10/13/2008 12:18 AM (#5443 - in reply to #5050)
Subject: RE: Ares/Anthena Spirits


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Well, am just trying to point out that perhaps the stats for Ares/Anthena could be better or equivalent to spirits from rac boxes.
The total "Money" spent on purchasing 96 hrs stones and the spirit add up to about 4K GCoins -> if u want to match the spirit energy of a rare.
On average, its about 12-15 silver keys to get a rare from racoon box. Doesn't it tally?

Another issue is that spirit isnt really countable as a rare.
Think of it. If a user already has a spirit frm the previous racoon boxes.
What are the chances that he will try to get another spirit from the rac boxes?
1 thing is, there's no point. The stats are the same.
2nd thing is, dont forget about the syncro rate that i had accumulated on my current spirit.

Instead, if they make the stats of item mall spirits equivalent to rac box spirits.
Perhaps it might still increase their sales than to coming out with new spirits rare.

Anyway, any idea how to close this thread? i have finished giving my own opinion.

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forumfireflare
Posted 10/13/2008 6:29 AM (#5460 - in reply to #5443)
Subject: RE: Ares/Anthena Spirits



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Winterblade - 10/13/2008 12:18 AM
The total "Money" spent on purchasing 96 hrs stones and the spirit add up to about 4K GCoins -> if u want to match the spirit energy of a rare. On average, its about 12-15 silver keys to get a rare from racoon box. Doesn't it tally?

ya I guess so...

Winterblade - 10/13/2008 12:18 AM
Another issue is that spirit isnt really countable as a rare.

Spirits are counted as rare because can only get them from itemmall.. and further,
can only get the rare spirits from box.. its also only available for a limited time...

Winterblade - 10/13/2008 12:18 AM
2nd thing is, dont forget about the syncro rate that i had accumulated on my current spirit.

ya it sucks you accumulated syncro on a spirit thats not as good... its kinda like, wtf is the point
of getting athena/ares... ndoors is racist against that race of spirits i think...

Winterblade - 10/13/2008 12:18 AM
Anyway, any idea how to close this thread? i have finished giving my own opinion.

gm's dont close threads... they can delete them though... what they should do is create a responsible
forum moderator as this forum still has none...

~Snook

Edited by forumfireflare 10/13/2008 6:31 AM
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Winterblade
Posted 10/13/2008 7:05 AM (#5469 - in reply to #5050)
Subject: RE: Ares/Anthena Spirits


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Lol, I guess you got me wrong partially.
Ok, perhaps the limitation in period makes it a rare. However, there is no reason to make the stats of Ares/Anthena a disadvantage.
First - All stats of spirits from silver keys have the same stats.
Therefore, if i had a ninja spirit, why should i get another spirit when a new one is out? Any point in doing so?
Second - For example i had a ninja spirit and my syncro rate is 80%
Why would i go and get a new spirit from the racoon box, having to start from 0%.
Lastly, As i mentioned previously, in term of money point of view. The amount spent is equivalent to Spirits from keys.

Got what i meant? If i already had a key spirit. There would be no point for me to get another key spirit.

Therefore, shouldn't they make Ares/Anthena Spirits have equivalent stats to Spirits from rac boxes?
As i mentioned above, average is 12-15 silver keys. Some managed to open with just 2 silver keys, some with 20 or some nv had the luck at all.
By doing so, they are still able to target players without spirits at the moment and doesnt want to take the risk of using lots of keys.

Edited by Winterblade 10/13/2008 7:13 AM
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forumfireflare
Posted 10/13/2008 7:25 AM (#5471 - in reply to #5050)
Subject: RE: Ares/Anthena Spirits



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I see what you mean.. ppl will buy the spirits in the itemmall more thus more money to goonzu..
however, wouldnt it detract from future spirit sales?

there really is no reason for you to get another spirit if you already got a good one...
the new spirit is for people who are new to the game or are really unlucky and couldnt get one
with 75 keys even (like me -.-)... or of course if your DD and you must have every little dam
thing that ndoors comes out with...

but back to your point, I would think ndoors makes a ton more from key sales than the random
person who would just want a spirit... therefore, theres no real drive for the devs to do anything..

maybe they could instead put more hours on the item mall spirit to make it more even...
cuz it does seem ridiculous to have to buy so many more spirit stones than the people with
the rare spirits...
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SharShar
Posted 10/13/2008 8:51 PM (#5586 - in reply to #5050)
Subject: Re: Ares/Anthena Spirits



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I wish they would lower dramatically the prices of the stones that extend time on spirits, and equips along with weapon stones.
Those are guaranteed repeat sales. I should hope they understand that we have our goodies,
and if we want to keep using them we have to buy the extensions.
Or the potions (for summons, I think it's the spirit potions, idk... i dont use my QQ because I cant
add the cost of the potions to give him more time to what i need to kepp... or i lose.

Ndoors has to know that alot of us went through ALOT of keys (not cheap by any means)
and I hope that they recognize that I choose to spend my money here. I have had to curtail
my buying of the Almighty Gcoin, keeping to the stuff i need because I was trying for halloween
spirit. I didnt bounce any checks, but I can see how easy it might be for someone to do just that
XD

One thing left me a little dissatisfied. I bought 4 sets of Gold Keys and the equilavent of 3 sets of Silver Keys .
I got... stones I wont begrudge the stones, but I wish it could have been stones I need, I got mad of 3 kinds and none of one kind.
Some candy. Nice treats along the path to satisfy as I hack and mangle mobs
One rare halloween box. I spent ALOT.
Cant say its my luck either. I have good numbers when i play with keys.

*edited cos i had the order of keys wrong.

Edited by SharShar 10/13/2008 8:55 PM
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evilleprechaun
Posted 10/13/2008 10:16 PM (#5590 - in reply to #5586)
Subject: Re: Ares/Anthena Spirits


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This is touching on a much larger issue related to IM that's been bugging me for months.

They are effectively making the game Pay-to-Play if you want an advantage, which is not the initial purpose of Itemmall. Why do some rares (mounts, avatars, carpets) come with no strings attached, while these newer ones (spirits and summons) require a maintenance fee to keep using.

These spirits and summons can give you a HUGE bonus (at base a spirit gives you 15 levels worth of bonus stats, and a summon from IM gives a huge advantage in summon hunting), but the difference is, you have to pay a constant cost to maintain them via stones or potions.

Ares and athena spirits would make sense and be worth it IF we did not have to pay the continual subscription fee to keep using it. And that's exactly what it is. A subscription fee. If you want an advantage in this game, you don't pay a one-time cost from IM. You have to keep paying and paying.
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forumfireflare
Posted 10/14/2008 5:16 AM (#5611 - in reply to #5050)
Subject: RE: Ares/Anthena Spirits



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the new summons require a maintenance fee? i have not heard of this.. someone explain it to me..
is there a time limit on the kitty that at the end of the time... the kitty dies?
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SharShar
Posted 10/14/2008 6:13 AM (#5624 - in reply to #5611)
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you run out of time, you cant transform into the spirit.
You get more 'hour' stones, and ofcourse, the 96 hour stone is all I get or I would be getting stones every other day or so.
but... yeah.
We pay through the nose to get good stuff that we have to pay through the nose to keep using.

I remember when one of the slogans for this game was
"Free Game For Life."
Gee... I haven't seen that slogan for QUITE a while now.

Also, regarding the new summons, I think they have to have a special potion, available ONLY in item mall
that refills their spirit time.

Edited by SharShar 10/14/2008 6:16 AM
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forumfireflare
Posted 10/14/2008 6:32 AM (#5627 - in reply to #5050)
Subject: RE: Ares/Anthena Spirits



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oh ya.. is that what that Summon's stamina drink is? I thought it was just a glorified summon's viagra...
really hope they didnt make summons all silly...

the game is still free to play... but if you even try using the item mall at all... you will have to continuously
use it thereafter.. which is silly and absolutely not helping my gambling problems ...
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valansa
Posted 4/17/2018 5:18 PM (#229582 - in reply to #5050)
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